The Drum & Bass Thread (formally Drum 'n' Bass is dead?)
The Drum & Bass Thread (formally Drum 'n' Bass is dead?) Posted on: 19.08.2008 by Random X Every now and than, a musical genres foremost poet or pioneer will come forth claiming the style is dead.We've already seen it in punk, hip hop, metal, rock and opera already. Stupidest thing even, that this seems to be some kind of "retro- cycle" that passes along every decade. With the coming of styles like dubstep amongst others, purists are really keen on claiming that these styles are no derative or subgenre of our beloved DnB. Better yet, they utter the words "DnB is dead!" If your own creative impulses can't cope with a style any longer, why claim it is dead in the first place? Couldn't it just evolve into other (sub)styles? No, kill your idols instead! There seems to be no better way to start something new, than completely destroy any relations with the past. How can a genre with high BPM rates be dead, while comparing it to the ever so low BPM rates of the ever so vivid dubstep? Ofcourse, BPM rates are not a factor in this case, but people listening and enjoying DnB are. There are still heaps and heaps of bass-heads still jumping their shoes to the sounds of d&b pioneers as Krush, Bukem, Dom & Roland and all others still producing. Agreed that the old spirit needs to be revived. Still, it's no reason to don the old lass after that much joy she has given us. Drum and Bass is dead? It seems ever so vibrant as it was in 1996! | |
| Random X 14.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by midian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZeyur3Exc Though for a long while the heaviest bass was DJ Krust - Warhead. (Nowadays, I believe that would be Bar 9 - Shaolin ?) |
| Ryan Morales 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Yeah dub is just a musical style (outa Jamaica of course, Lee Scratch Perry FTW!) of taking instrumental parts of existing records and extending them out, boosting the bass & drums and then adding heaps of reverb & phase. Which is very characteristic of dubstep... which is pretty much all wet as fuck. Tho I've heard some El-B dubstep tracks recently which are really dry, which is interesting, I believe something could be done down that path. |
| Ryan Morales 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by obsidiance
For now id say check out these artists: Rusko Caspa Reso Skream Benga Koan Sound Babysham Babylon System SPL Nero The Others Joker Stenchman In terms of grimey 2-step try checking out 'Oxide & Neutrino' and 'So Solid Crew'. Its got a lot of vocals (thus is nearly Grime, but stil considered garage). Other then them try checking old Dee Kline Espc. the track 'I Don't Smoke', huuuge back in 1999/2000. (before he started making of breaks), hes one of the classic new wave of more grimey 2-step producers (as opposed to classic UK Garage) which eventually became breaks. If you want darker 2-step garage (not as dirty tho), the stuff which was pretty much a precursor to dubstep I highly highly recommend El-B and Groove Chronicles. The Groove Chronicles track 'Stone Cold' is probably my favorite track of all time. Heaviest. Bass. EVER. |
| Adolf Hit 13.01.2009 | Arguing 70 v 140 is semantics ...though I reckon you would find most producers are going to set their master tempo to 140 when kicking of a tune. I dont believe genres that have lived through infancy are not definable as such, but you can characterise them, thats why I went for such a broad description. I hope sub genres take a long time to appear in dubstep, they are far easier to define, and then cause pidgeon holeing of producers & DJ's which kills the creativity IMO. Thats also what I love about the Genre is while it started of with a very prescribed rythm it has attracted so many skilled producers from other often unrelated genres that now you will hear virtually every rythm used. @midian In hinesight Dub is def the most important influence on dubstep, what I was trying to express that tracks are increasingly sounding less dubois (nice I made up a word ), but they still always draw greatly from dub production techniques. |
| Virginia Ortiz 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by obsidiance
@midian-ill read/argue wit your response next break yo |
| Dj Daxsen 13.01.2009 | Can anyone point me in the direction of some real grimy 2-step garage??? Doesn't have to be new. Also any tracks that are a similar style to Chase & Status - Eastern Jam. Thanks in advance guys. (sorry about derailing your little dubstep definitionnssss) |
| Ryan Morales 13.01.2009 | tru that. Dubstep came from dark 2-step garage, thus the broken & lilting kick-snare patterns from there. Now the only real thing u can say about dubstep is EPIC amounts of sub-bass. I mean I've got dubstep tracks at 120bpm & at 155bpm, so even tempo is somewhat variable. I dont believe dubstep will fragment into sub-genres like dnb did largely because of the attitude of dubstep artists that its all part of the same thing. Ragga, garage, electro, tribal, dnb, dub, downbeat style dubstep is all still dubstep, artists often making a very wide range of all of these stylings, and even dubstep DJs often including this massive range in their sets. Skream for example is a massive proponant of this and I've heard he gets mad pissed off when people try and fragment dubstep into sub-genres. Thats what I fk'n love about the genre, its so free to be anything. Perhaps you might see new genres spawn partially outa dubstep that are no longer dubstep, for example UK Funky, but tbh that also came largely outa bassline house & UK garage prob more so then dubstep. |
| Virginia Ortiz 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by midian
eg 4x4 beats the only thing that seems to have remained constant is EFFIN PHAT BASS the same happened with the evolution from jungle to drum n bass, jungle started with a bunch of conditions and parameters, that changed over time due to outside influences, seemingly creating a new genre, soon i believe dubstep will have defined sub-genres (still too young?) anyhoo must work |
| Ryan Morales 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by Flaekiface
Sometimes, especially in more club focused dubstep (Caspa & Rusko etc) it even uses 4x4 beats @ 140. |
| Virginia Ortiz 14.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole
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| Virginia Ortiz 14.01.2009 | dubstep is half time, so unlike breaks, which repeats the drum loop every "bar" (4 quavers?) it repeats the loop(which i believe usually consists of a breakbeat, but seems to be moving away from needing one) every 2 "bars" (8 quavers) this mean that technically its 70bpm but as said by Sc1c its not so important happy 2000 tekki let me know how that track goes! |
| Random X 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Juan Cruz Taboada 13.01.2009 | 70bpm / 140bpm essentially the same thing when it comes to writing, all about how you prefer to do it IMO. I'd choose 140 myself just to save me the hassle of samples auto-stretching to half-time by default (unless thats what you want of course) |
| casey rascal 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
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| Ryan Morales 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
imo dub is the most characteristic part of dubstep and contributes the most major part to the aesthetic (other then 140 bpm n heavy sub-bass useage), namely heavy reverb and phase saturation especially on the snare, highhats & vocals.. but pretty much anything over around 300hz tbh. |
| Xavier Emanuels 13.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by Tekki
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| Random X 13.01.2009 | Post 2000! w00t! Still talking about Drum & Bass, still going strong. (Kaon, got some new ideas for project21, so hopefully an update on the track next week! ) |
| Adolf Hit 12.01.2009 | Its a little harder to define dubstep than it used to be, but its most significant properties are, about 140 BPM, and has uses lots of sub bass. This means you cant really listen to it on a sub-par system as most of the musical detail gets lost. It is pretty much a mix of d&b, grime/uk garage, and dub (but this is becoming less important). These days you will hear virtually every drum pattern under the sun used in dubstep. |
| Doug Bieling 12.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by cmcpress
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| Random X 12.01.2009 | I am afraid to tell you we're kinda stuck... |
| Virginia Ortiz 12.01.2009 | any progress towards the completion of that track you were makin tekki? i was lookin foward to hearin the rest of it |
| Virginia Ortiz 07.01.2009 | whats your deal metverse? your name is metaverse and your taggy thing is "all we ever have is now". you a spiritualist/philososynthesiser? big ups if you are theres a mean lack of hippies these days |
| Virginia Ortiz 07.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by midian
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| Ryan Morales 07.01.2009 | Benga & Skream was fucking epic. The soundsystem @ phat is earth shattering. Hearing Dubstep on that system completely changed it for me. Now I basically have to wait another year to hear dubstep properly again :[ my dream is now to get some land in the middle of nowhere and build a sound system as epic or more epic then that @ phat. Need to get some proper ear plugs as not to have fukt ears before im 25 :/ and Mordez Moi indeed translates to Bite Me in French. |
| Ricardo Oliveira 07.01.2009 | ps. I'm surprised this isn't a sticky yet hahaha |
| Ricardo Oliveira 07.01.2009 | LOLOLOL I haven't been here in well over a month and this thread is still alive and kicking hahaha! looks to me like either there's a necromancer in the house or DnB is indeed ALIVE |
| Xavier Emanuels 07.01.2009 | I heard it today on my now not so favorite radio station today: "Drum and bass is dead" |
| Virginia Ortiz 06.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by Cyphizer
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| Virginia Ortiz 06.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Vernice Aclan 06.01.2009 | I believe "Mordez Moi" is ment to be "Mordes Moi" which translates as "Bite Me" in french Go go gadget Babel Fish |
| Random X 06.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by Kaon
I can believe of the verb Mourir. But this might be a case of people bastardizing Murder into Mordez. |
| Xavier Emanuels 06.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by Kaon
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| Virginia Ortiz 05.01.2009 | lol i was havin a bad cid trip at noisia. i wont go into detail cos ill sound like a nutter, but i had a stubbed toe and kept bangin it on the end of my shoe. hell of a set tho stoked he played Feed Me(Spor)-Mordez Moi by the way can any of you euro folks tell me does mordez moi mean "kill me?" |
| Random X 05.01.2009 | Yups, blame it on the dutchies. |
| Adolf Hit 05.01.2009 | I found it pretty interesting that my ears were actually not sore afterwards. Normally its that high end distortion & ringing that gives me sore ears but there was not distortion at all for the dubstep, Noisia however.... |
| Random X 05.01.2009 | I really tend to be careful when my ears are concerned... Gigs, concerts and loud noise are greated by my earplugs. |
| Virginia Ortiz 05.01.2009 |
Originally Posted by earl-panda
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| Matt Kane 05.01.2009 | well it |
| Virginia Ortiz 06.01.2009 | earplugs are for the weak! lukily dubstep isnt too heavy on the highend lol ive done my years worth of circles and squares hehe |
| Random X 05.01.2009 | Just hoping you were wearing earplugs midifidler! |
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